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THB 01:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Breeding? Anyway vests are for wimps- Light current 01:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC) I believe the custom of wearing undershirts (now better known as t-shirts) without a buttoned down shirt began with Marlon Brando's performance in A Streetcar Named Desire.
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Why do people wear t-shirts underneath a buttoned down shirt? Hustle 01:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Men wear undershirts to keep their shirt clean by absorbing skin secretions, to make a white shirt appear whiter, to prevent the body from being visible through shirts made of thin material, because sometimes they are more comfortable against the skin than a shirt, and because it shows a lack of good breeding not to do so. Please sign your contributions with four tildes (~~~~) - ColinFine 01:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Or you could be lazy and just link to which will work just fine.- Shantavira 10:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC) T-shirt under Buttoned down URL's have a limited (defined) set of characters, and anything else must be replaced by hex codes as in that example.

However, the accented 'e' in Carrée is not being read by your (or mine?) server correctly, and, if you go to my site and click on the linked text, "Maison Carrée", you get sent to a error page on wikipedia. I am trying to link to the excellent article at, from my site. wha? 08:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC) Link problem - webmaster issue Clio the Muse 11:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Hmm, is this the Eu's Guantanamo Bay? It's part of the EU and yet it isn't. :) DirkvdM 07:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC) Not to be confused with the Isle of Man which isn't part of the EU but it is! :) Grutness. Economically, despite 'Peter's Pence', the Vatican would not be viable without Italy, and in practical terms enjoys the same benefits as its 'host' nation draws from the EU. The Lateran Treaties of 1929 were less a 'declaration of independence', and more a way of regulating the process of political exchange with the secular state. It seems to me that much of the above has little real relevance to the actual status and character of the Vatican, which operates more like a corporation rather than an independent state.
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Of course, full EU membership is not realistic for a statelet with less than a thousand citizens-they probably don't even have enough bureaucrats to handle EU accession negotiations and membership procedures. In addition to lacking democracy and rule of law, I doubt the Vatican economy could be considered a "functioning market economy", either. Lambiam Talk 10:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Copenhagen criteria are the official conditions that have to be fulfilled by a prospective member country. I imagine the EU would require some reforms before accession negotiations could start. THB 04:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Also, Vatican City has no universal suffrage, and its legislative body is not elected but appointed by the Sovereign of the State of the Vatican City (the Pope) and is all-male. DirkvdM 04:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Actually, the pope is an elected absolute monarch and the Vatican is a theocratic absolute monarchy. kmccoy (talk) 03:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC) And then there are human rights issues, like using a type of absolute rule (well, it is to true believers) to get people not to use condoms. The position isn't passed by family membership like a monarchy. JackofOz 00:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC) I doubt the Pope's status as absolute monarch would be compatible with the EU constitution - Trieste 00:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC) The Pope is elected. For example, it has permanent observer status with the United Nations but has never been a member. I know of no reason why it couldn't become a member, but the Vatican has preferred to remain somewhat aloof from most international organisations.

I was watching CNN.When they talked about the popes trip to turkey.I was just wondering could the vacatcin become part of the EU.i got the idea for that question when i heard something turkey becoming a part of the EU. November 28 could the Vatican become part of the EU 1.18 Forbes List of $ Billionaires (2006).1.8 how do i report inapropriate items posted?.
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